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Topic Started: Jan 19 2014, 05:03 PM (843 Views)
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Does anyone else think goten turned out dumb later when he grew up. If goten trained in an amazing amount of gravity like goku in namek, would he become one of the strongest, and would be cool.
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You mean in EOZ, or in GT? In EOZ the only think I dislike on both him and Trunks were that they dislike training and fighting after we saw them enjoying it while they were in there earlier ages. Except for that I would like them to keep training and been more powerfull but tgis is what really makes me more disappointed.
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

Most half Saiyans lose interest in fighting.
It's just the way it is.

Goten is one of the strongest in GT for no reason what-so-ever other than Toei-hax.
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He isn't in the late GT though, Gohan Pan Vegeta Goku, Piccolo all of then were above him most of the time.
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Most half Saiyans lose interest in fighting.
It's just the way it is.

Goten wasn't that strong at the beginning of GT. I think he's around his EOZ self since there's a statement from Vegeta about him and Trunks slacking. Goten may or may not get powered up from Baby and whatnot. No hax there.

I love Goten and Trunks at the final chapter of DBZ. I love seeing them as teens with teenager personalities. I enjoy writing a lot of that in my own DBZ story. It's not dumb that they don't fight when they're older because of Ketchup's reasons.
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I don't think a character is dumb because he doesn't like fighting or training. One trait i like in the Half-Saiyans is that they are a lot more human with interest in normal things, not just big muscle masses like their fathers that only care for being strong.

Talking about GT, one of the worst things in the series is how Gohan, Trunks and Goten are suddenly stronger than Oob in the final arc. It doesn't make any sense, and is just a pathetic excuse to make everyone with Saiyan blood ridicolously above other characters.
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Its not dumb yes, just a bit disappointing for me, but that's how only I view the matter, also how is Goten Gohan and Trunks>Majuub in SD arc :huh: ?
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Im with Professor Gohan, i liked Goten in the final chapter of DBZ..
But im a bit disappointed that Trunks didnt give me the same feeling as Future Trunks
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In episode 63, they all go fight Syn Shenlong, and say goodbye to Oob and Pan. If Oob was stronger or at least as strong as them, one would assume that they would bring him to the fight too, no?
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And actually, I like how Trunks turned out as well. I really don't think he should be anything like Future Trunks since he grew up in a different way and in a different world.

Him acting spoiled as a kid is okay, him growing up and becoming a serious stud-like cat is really okay too, imo.
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Jan 19 2014, 05:28 PM
In episode 63, they all go fight Syn Shenlong, and say goodbye to Oob and Pan. If Oob was stronger or at least as strong as them, one would assume that they would bring him to the fight too, no?
Well that's not as good evidence as Majiub>Riildo>Gohan or at least I think so :unsure:
It could be that someone must have left behind.
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I've seen plenty of people complaining about how Trunks turned out at GT, how different he was from when he was a kid, yadda yadda. The thing is, it's natural for people to change. If Trunks acted like a spoiled jerk in GT, he would just be a bland copy of how his father was at the Cell arc. I do like Trunks in GT. I believe that while GT screwed the characters when it comes to power, they didn't screw the characters themselves. I like the way the Z fighters were portrayed in GT.

edit: Vegeta, search for the scene i am talking about. They clearly talk to Oob and they go flying to fight Syn, obviously leaving Oob behind. He doesn't even try to go with them, like he recognized he was weaker than them. Toei made a illogical jump in power puting Oob below the Half-Saiyans.
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Goten is the best character in DBZ. I mean he's dating girls over fighting. Can't say that about Goku who has a wife xD.

Edit: BTW I'm a Goten fanboy for life. Every since he debut in the Korean Dubbed anime and bootleg JPN Anime tapes. He's the best character in DBZ. No debates. If you disagree then I have to say this. Mary had a little lamb.....well piss on Mary....piss on the lamb....and piss on you! xD
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The way they acted was just fine to me to, and I think that the problem the fans have is not so much about How they acted rather, of how weak they were portraited on the whole series as fighters that only buy time for Goku to arrive and beat the villain.
@Doc, you're right
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Jan 19 2014, 05:23 PM
Im with Professor Gohan, i liked Goten in the final chapter of DBZ..
But im a bit disappointed that Trunks didnt give me the same feeling as Future Trunks
Well why would he have? The point between the dichotomy is to show how different Trunks would've turned out had his future not been screwed up.

As for Goten, a character whom I've taken a strong liking towards recently for a very good reason, I feel that he was, in a manner, cheated out any sort of relevance.
I see it this way: Goku= Super Saiyan, defeats Frieza. Gohan= Super Saiyan 2, defeats and kills Cell. Goten? Though he's the youngest Super Saiyan by a considerable degree (the second youngest is a year older than him, and I believe Gohan may have already been 8 when he transformed), he never really amounts to anything. He never becomes a Super Saiyan 2, an ascended Saiyan... he has to fuse with Trunks just to matter. He can't be relevant or seen as "strong" on his own. And even then... Gotenks= Fights Boo, loses overwhelmingly despite almost winning.
So Goten broke the Son tradition and Z ended before he could make up for it. It would've been something if Goten were the first to achieve Super Saiyan 4. That would've saved the Son family some face. But unfortunately, he along with Kid Trunks were left mainly to comic relief. And I understand that the Boo saga as a whole was meant to get back to the gag manga roots of Dragon Ball, but Toriyama chose the worst time. If it had been totally gag, maybe that would've been acceptable, but the problem is that it's like Saints Row the Third: it doesn't f***ing know where it wants to be in terms of light-hearted wackiness and morbid seriousness. The latter DB and first 2 thirds of DBZ were like Saints Row 2: very much had wacky moments (Ginyu Force, man...), but they knew when to take themselves seriously (Goku vs King Piccolo, Frieza, Trunks's backstory...). Boo saga was trying to emulate the denseness of the first saga of Dragon Ball while balancing it with the seriousness of typical DBZ, without actually doing it intelligently.
Like Star Wars (I know, jumping from Teen Goten to Saints Row to Star Wars) when George Lucas gained more creative control. Too much more. That's when we got the Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar. f***ing. Binks.

JAR JAR. f***ING. BINKS.
Goten was introduced and grew up during the middle of that and that's why Goten suffered so tremendously as a character: we were never supposed to take him seriously regarding him being "Goku Pt. 2". Much like Gohan, I can see him starting off weak as a youngling only to grow stronger with age; hell, he even has Kid Gohan's wild and shaggy hair when he becomes a teenager! Unlike Gohan, Goten was indeed designed to be a successor to Goku from the start... but the winging-it style Toriyama rocked put an end to that reeeeally quickly.
But, like I said, Z ended before he had a chance to show off any sort of abilities. It either ended prematurely for him and Trunks, but for the audience it was being stretched too far to begin with.
So, by the end of Z, we don't really get to feel that Goten was any leagues stronger than he was before, disregarding age differences. Hell comes again: we don't even know if he ascended to Super Saiyan 2. This is because, by the latter half of the Boo Saga, Goku was now "Teh Jesus" of DBZ, and all good things could only come through him, regardless of whatever the man said about him not being the strongest in the universe. Coupling that with the fact that nothing was initially stated to have happened between Boo's death and the 28th WMT, Goten's new place was being a typical superpowered teenager, girlfriend and all.
And by GT, he's still not married. He doesn't even have Trunks's excuse of being a corporate head. And the bimbos he gets are... well... bimbos. Not the strong women Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta have had the luck to love.
If there were another saga between the EoBoo and EoZ (and, the way it's looking right now, there just might be one soon), perhaps a power boost for Goten and Trunks will occur.
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Think of it as how a Saiyan's entire outfit can change if they go Super Saiyan.

So....His shoes are Super Saiyan 4?

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